how about japan? how do we cut the defense budget now? >> jim, i'm not disagreeing with you. >> what's the -- >> first audit of the defense firms we don't even know where the money is being spent. i'm not disagreeing with you on defense. you want to really attack what's going to be an explosion in costs, it's brom ma care. obama care is so vastly or grocery underestimated in terms of costs. i mean currently, the current budget window is $1.7 billion. when true spending kicks in $2.5 and that assumes only 1 million employees lose employee sponsored care, get dumped in highly subsidized -- >> some -- >> people have their head in the sand on that one. that will add trillions of dollars to our deficit and nobody wants to talk about it. nobody's talking about medicare anymore. because the democrats have taken that off the table. i'm asking the democrats, show us your plan. then i know what i'm going to compromise with. >> but in theory there is a plan that would exist that you would say, okay, i'm not going to go along with the pledge that i s